Fertility Docs Uncensored Today’s episode of Fertility Docs Uncensored is hosted by Dr. Carrie Bedient from the Fertility Center of Las Vegas, Dr. Susan Hudson from Texas Fertility Center, and Dr. Abby Eblen from Nashville Fertility Center. In this special episode, Abby’s Top 10 Tips for Fertility Patients, the hosts celebrate Dr. Eblen’s final episode. After years of helping patients navigate infertility and fertility treatment, Dr. Eblen shares the advice she believes can make the greatest difference for patients during their fertility journey. The discussion covers practical and emotional strategies that can help patients feel more informed, empowered, and supported. Dr. Eblen encourages patients to trust their medical team, understand their treatment plan and why it has been recommended. She also emphasizes the importance of understanding insurance coverage and financial responsibilities, which can reduce stress and help patients feel more prepared as treatment progresses. Other key tips include being patient and kind with the fertility team, practicing resilience when facing setbacks, seeking support from family, friends, or a mental health professional, and using mindfulness techniques to help manage anxiety. The hosts also discuss why patients should avoid putting their lives on hold during treatment, continue pursuing activities that bring them joy, and resist comparing their fertility journey to those of others. Most importantly, Dr. Eblen encourages patients to be brave, remain open-minded, and consider all available options as they work toward building their families. This heartfelt episode offers wisdom, encouragement, and practical guidance for anyone navigating infertility. This episode is sponsored by IVF Florida.
Episode Transcript:
Carrie Bedient MD (00:02.178)
Hello and welcome to another episode of Fertility Docs Uncensored. I am one of your hosts, Dr. Carrie Bediant from the Fertility Center of Las Vegas, joined by my two babocol, badass, truly, hmm, I’m running out of another B word here. Truly fantastic, even though it doesn’t start with a B. Co-host, Dr. Susan Hudson of Texas Fertility Center.
Susan Hudson MD (00:31.278)
Hello.
Carrie Bedient MD (00:32.631)
And for this fabulous episode, highlighting Dr. Abby Eblen from Nashville Fertility Center.
Abby Eblen MD (00:39.153)
Hey everybody.
Carrie Bedient MD (00:41.002)
So This is a bittersweet episode because Abby is retiring. And so She is going to live a life far more exciting than certainly what Susan and I are grinding away at right now. But we wanted to spend this episode just going through all things, Abby, like what are your top pieces of advice for patients and just kind of see see how things happen, have you know developed over over your career and what you think and all of those types of questions.
Abby Eblen MD (01:18.237)
All right, well, I got a top 10 here and I’m going to have Susan and Carrie chime in with me. I think kind of that it’s hard to put these in order, but I think the number one is it’s really important when we pick the right person, trust your team. They really want what’s best for you. If they give you advice, I think they mean it. they give it to you because they really mean you should do it. And I don’t know how many people I’ve had over the past, I don’t know, six months that I’ve seen that have come up to me that are friends of mine and they’re like, you know, my cardiologist told me I need to start on statins. Do you think I should start on statins? Yeah, if that’s what he said, start on statins. Or my doctor thought I needed to have this thing removed in the OR. What do you think about that? Well, if that’s what he thinks, do it. So I think in this society, a lot of people are a little bit mistrustful of physicians for whatever reason. And I think, At least speaking for myself, I mean, I feel like my heart has always been in the right place. And what I ask patients to do, I ask them because I thought that would really help them.
Susan Hudson MD (02:18.732)
I totally agree with that. I mean, we do this every day because in our hearts we want to give you your best chance of growing your family and ideally growing your family as close to the way you want to grow them as possible. And it really it really does help if you have a level of trust in your physician and your team. And it and if you don’t, that might not be the right home for you to be at, be in because y this is this is a tough thing to go through. This is a t tough thing to go through. And it’s really important not only to have your home-based team, you know, be included and active in your fertility journey, but knowing that your professional team is rooting for you and really trying to do the best things for you.
Carrie Bedient MD (03:12.108)
Absolutely. Trusting your gut’s important. If you trust them enough to say, yeah, let’s go through this with them, then you know trust that they’re they’re doing everything they can to make you successful and what your dreams are.
Abby Eblen MD (03:26.993)
So number two, understand the why and also kind of know why you’re doing things. So, you know, I think in the big picture, you want to know when your doctor plans something for you, you want to be a team member in that decision and make sure you’re honest with your doctor. If you’re uncomfortable with a certain procedure, be honest. I mean, we’ll try and do workarounds, but kind of know what the plan is for the big picture for your treatment.
And then know the details too, because a lot of times patients will leave and by no fault of their own, they just get so much information. They get home and they’re like, I don’t even know what she just told me. And so It’s always good to bring a piece of paper or if you’re somebody that can tap on your phone really fast, just write some things down so that you know before you leave kind of at least what the very next step is and who to call if you don’t understand what you’re supposed to do. And also if they can give you a flyer about…you know, kind of what this plan is, that can also be helpful too. So you can refer to that.
Carrie Bedient MD (04:25.266)
Mm-hmm. Being able to ask at the end of the visit, okay, so in summary, what happens next is, you know, I call you on the first day of my next period so that I can start meds or I’m waiting for your office to call me about X can be really helpful because it really distills down for you what happens next and how do we get there so that you make sure that if you misunderstood something or if they didn’t explain something the way that they thought they did, that that you guys can be on the same page before walking out the door.
Susan Hudson MD (05:01.364)
And Abby always says it’s kinda like drinking from a fire hose when you come to see us and having an extra set of ears to make sure that you have all that information can be very helpful as well.
Abby Eblen MD (05:13.649)
This one I came up with something Carrie said the other day and I thought this was really good. You know, We want you not to feel like you’re a number in our practice. We want you to feel like you’re getting a plan just for you. But it’s really important. We want to see you as a person, but we want you to see us as a person as well. And so As part of that, with front desk staff, with our nurses, with the physicians, we want you to be kind to them as we try and be kind to you. It kind of works both ways because You know, this is a hard job for us. We deal with lots of high emotions and lots of happy stories, but unfortunately a lot of unhappy stories. And so, you know, It really kind of drains us when we see a patient who is just so unhappy and, you know, it’s, and maybe it’s something we don’t have any control over like, you know, ovarian reserve or something like that. So I think It really goes a long way with your physician and your practice. If you can be patient and be kind to the staff and to the physicians.
Susan Hudson MD (06:11.47)
It’s a big team.
Carrie Bedient MD (06:12.554)
Yeah, I would definitely agree with that. Not that you have to be responsible for our emotions in any way, but just acknowledge that we have them too. And while we will never try and make our bad day your problem, it you know, you are you are dealing with the weight of the world for one person and we are dealing with, granted, a smaller weight of the world, but for potentially a hundred people a day. And so We’re trying to give everybody the grace that that they all deserve, and we appreciate that in return.
Abby Eblen MD (06:47.313)
So this is kind of on a different note, know your insurance and kind of know what your financial responsibilities will be. And certainly your doctor’s office can do a really good job of helping you kind of figure that out, because it is challenging. I might have trouble when I’m seeing my doctor figuring out what’s covered and what’s not. But the more you know before you go in, I think the more confident you’ll feel when your doctor recommends different treatments. I think some patients, if they don’t know what their insurance covers, every time a doctor says something, they just see dollar sign after dollar sign after dollar sign to the point where they can’t really listen to what you’re really trying to tell them. And it’s also really difficult when you’re in the doctor’s office for us to immediately go, because a lot of times, or sometimes patients will say, well, what does the ultrasound cost? What is this blood gonna cost? What is this gonna cost? And unfortunately, we can’t really, we don’t have a real easy way of kind of going line by line and telling you exactly what it costs, because it depends a lot on your insurance coverage and what your deductible is and how much of your deductible you’ve met.
So the more you know going into it, I think the more helpful it will be. And I think the less stressed you’ll be about the financial part anyway.
Susan Hudson MD (07:51.692)
I think this is really important when we have couples coming into the practice because often time the person who is not undergoing the medical therapy is often the one who’s kind of taking charge of the financial parts of it just because it’s something tangible and it’s something that they can help with. And so Making sure both partners are on the same page as to What is our insurance? What is our coverage? What is our deductible? What is our copay? What are things that are covered? What are things that are not covered? Making sure y’all are having conversations between yourselves, it can be very helpful.
Carrie Bedient MD (08:31.805)
Mm-hmm. And knowing that as much as you know and you ask the insurance company what is and is not covered, sometimes they tell you different things than they tell us. And that is a source of just endless frustration when someone will say, well, my insurance said that they cover X, Y, and Z. And we come back and say, Well, yes, but it’s only if this diagnosis is in place and you don’t have that diagnosis. And those things play a part because we also can’t write down things that not true because none of us look good and orange, we don’t want to go to jail. And so Knowing how your clinic plays in with that, and that’s something where you’ll need to work with that financial team because there will be specific rules, applications, principles that apply to one practice that may not apply to another, you know, whether a lab or a surgery center is covered or is not, and how all of these things interweave makes makes a difference. And so when you know what your insurance covers, it allows you to ask more specific questions and really understand how that clinic interacts with that as well. And document everything that the insurance company tells you because it ultimately you are often the one who is having to fight when they tell us, yeah, everything’s covered and they tell you, yeah, everything’s covered and then they don’t cover it.
It’s it ends up coming down to the patient, unfortunately, who who has to really advocate over quite a long period of time. So keeping notes can be really helpful there.
Abby Eblen MD (10:08.443)
All right, number five, be resilient. And this is really kind of one of my favorite ones. think it’s not only. Well, actually, I kind of had it initially at the top of the list, but I try to put it in sort of a certain order. So, yeah, It’s really, really important. think It’s important for fertility, particularly because fertility treatment often is a marathon. It’s not a sprint. And so I think Your mindset has to be kind of toward that, like, OK. I’m gonna be hopeful that this is gonna be a quick thing, but it may take me a while. And don’t let things knock you down because if you let kind of one or two negative results or ineffective treatments kind of get to you, then I’m just afraid you’re gonna fall off as a patient before you really have a good chance of being pregnant. And so I’ve found over the years, the people that are often most successful are the ones that just say, okay, I had a negative pregnancy test, what do need to do next? What do need to do next? As much as you can, and I know it’s really hard, try and take the emotions out of it and try and just focus on the prize at the end. Like, okay, I’m gonna keep going, I’m not gonna let this get me down, and those are the people who are usually successful in the end, one way or another. May not be with their own eggs, but eventually those patients will have a baby at one point.
Susan Hudson MD (11:25.848)
Keep on keeping on.
Abby Eblen MD (11:29.733)
Okay, so moving right along. Number six on my list is seek support. That can be from friends, that can be from neighbors, that can be from clergy, that can be kind of your girl group from college or whatever, but seek support. I think that it’s really important to have a village of people around you and you may want to keep this quiet and not tell many people, but I think it’s really important to confide into a really good friend and I think ultimately, that may mean also that maybe you need some true therapy where you see a counselor because this is a hard, hard time for many people in their lives. It’s often and really puts a stress on your marriage because it may be one of the early things that you face in your marriage that’s a hurdle that you both have to overcome. And men and women oftentimes kind of look at things differently and approach things differently. And so It’s always good to have kind of a neutral third party or pseudo third party, neutral third party, who can be there to support you emotionally.
Carrie Bedient MD (12:31.892)
Absolutely. This is this is putting people through the ringer in many respects because and usually it started long before you ever come to see us. So any extra bonus support, help you can get, take it and run. There is no extra prizes given in heaven for suffering by yourself when you didn’t have to. And so There’s there’s a whole world out there of people who want to help and who’ve been there. And you just have to tap into it. And sometimes that takes a little bit of work to find your people.
But you can absolutely do it.
Susan Hudson MD (13:04.822)
And one thing I always think about is we think about friends and family and a lot of times people want to be very private, especially at work. But sometimes sharing with your immediate supervisor or that type of person can be actually make things a little bit easier because if you’re having to take off of work and they don’t know what’s going on, people are always like, no, are they interviewing for another job or other things like that, especially at the intervals that we see you.
I have to say, like if my employees were gone at that interval, I’d be like You know, but it It’s one of those things that you don’t necessarily have to let everybody know your business. but letting key people know what’s going on can often I I know when I went through my IVF, like having to deal with my work stress was actually probably one of the highest stresses of the whole thing. And that was me traveling across the country. And so, Just another little piece of advice.
Abby Eblen MD (13:37.19)
Or are you an affair with somebody or something?
Abby Eblen MD (14:05.054)
So kind of a corollary to that is I think just as a general rule, think about practicing mindfulness. And if you don’t know what that is, you can get lots of books on Amazon. It’s just really a way of thinking. It’s a way to kind of train your thinking. That’s kind of what happens when you see a therapist. They give you sort of these different tools to kind of help you get out of this rut of thinking really negatively. And so Mindfulness is just sort of a situation where you just focus on the present. You don’t worry about the future. You don’t worry about the past.
When negative thoughts kind of come through, you just kind of think about them like a cloud floating by and you just acknowledge that they’re there and let them go. And because oftentimes when you’re stressed, you kind of think about things over and over and over. And there’s really no solution for all these things you think about. And it just uses a lot of mental energy. It increases your stress load. And so I just I think that’s been really helpful for a lot of my patients is mindfulness.
Carrie Bedient MD (14:57.59)
Mm-hmm. Your brain shapes an awful lot of what you do. If you can take care of it, it’s just like taking, you know, getting a massage for your muscles that are sore. Get a massage for that brain for that brain muscle too.
Abby Eblen MD (15:12.252)
So, and kind of along the lines of the same thing we’re talking about, number eight is don’t put your life on hold. I see patients sometimes who come to see us and they’re just so focused on infertility. They have notebooks about their treatment and they have all these plans and all these things that they’ve looked up on the internet. It’s kind of like it’s become their second job. And I think to a certain degree, it’s perfectly healthy to want to understand what’s going on and try and figure out what you can do.
But I think it becomes an obsession for some patients. They become isolated from their family, their friends, particularly their friends who have children. If you enjoy exercising or if you enjoy going to art museums or you enjoy painting or traveling or whatever, try to keep those things in your life because you and your partner need something positive to look forward to and to do together potentially. So don’t put your life on hold and any hobbies that you’ve had, try to keep doing those to a certain extent because obviously those things feed your soul and you want that to continue.
Susan Hudson MD (16:13.782)
You are more than just your fertility.
Abby Eblen MD (16:18.398)
Number nine, avoid comparison. Do you guys ever see patients who bring up their sister, their friend, their uncle’s third cousin, their like…
Susan Hudson MD (16:28.158)
Every single day.
Carrie Bedient MD (16:30.406)
In every single way. Sometimes it’s comparisons with people that you wonder, how did you even find that information out on your uncles, third cousins, mothers, sisters, brothers, best friend from kindergarten?
Abby Eblen MD (16:46.12)
Yeah, so you’re a unique individual and when we see you, we try and treat you as a unique individual. And so You can certainly tell us what happened to your sister or to your friend, but a lot of times that doesn’t apply to you because not only is it you, but your spouse is also involved too and his sperm count matters and his testing matters and as well as your testing. And so That makes you guys unique. So I would kind of try and hold back on trying to compare to someone else and what their doctor did for them because they may have a totally set of issues that maybe you’re not even aware of and that’s why they got the treatment that they did. And then number 10, and this is very important, be brave and keep an open mind. So, you know, I’m kind of a scaredy cat a little bit by nature and I think, you know, taking the leap to do something as terrifying as seeing a doctor about this problem that you’re really worried about, sometimes for some patients can really be huge.
So If you’re listening and you haven’t seen a fertility doctor yet, I think this is your sign, you need to go see one. I think If you’re in the midst of things and you know the next step, which I think for everybody is daunting to think about IVF, I think at least keep an open mind and listen to your doctor and try and understand why they’re recommending you for this and how they think you can benefit from it. Because I think oftentimes, and this is part of the reason we put our book out the IVF Blueprint is because people are so scared of IVF and they’ve heard so many different stories about IVF, they’re afraid to even get started. And I think you’ll find from friends and from the book that we wrote that many people are very successful with IVF. Yeah, there’s a lot of steps involved, but it’s kind of like a marathon. You start with one foot in front of the other and eventually after 13.2 miles, you get to the end of it. Or 13.1 miles maybe, you get to the end of it.
Same thing with IVF, I’ve had many patients over the years that do that, and after they’re at very end of it, they look back and they’re like, wow, that really wasn’t so bad. I think I might have to do it, I might do it again, and if I need to, it’s okay. So just be brave, because it’s a scary process, but we will walk you through it and hand-hold you to get you through it.
Susan Hudson MD (18:58.412)
That was beautiful, Abby, and very, very, very true every step of the way.
Carrie Bedient MD (19:04.568)
So Abby, I wanna know what what’s the biggest th thing that you have seen change?
Abby Eblen MD (19:12.67)
Oh gosh, the biggest thing by far is genetics. I mean, when I started out, we did transfers on the third day of embryo development for IVF because we didn’t have the capability to do genetic testing. And so We would thaw embryos on day three and we would usually thaw three embryos or so because at day three, they have a really low cell count and many of them didn’t survive. So you might have one that survived, you might have none that survived, you might have three that survived.
And then you have to go, okay, do we want to transfer all three of these? But back then, the success rates were not as good, particularly with day three embryos. Then we made the transition where we started looking at day five embryos that had two more days to grow in the lab and kind of self-select. And then, I don’t know, 15 years ago or so, we started doing genetic testing on embryos, which really was a big, big game changer for a lot of people because now…If we can tell which embryo is genetically normal, again, it helps us select the best embryo for transfer. And that’s really what contributed to really high success rates that we have now. I think they’re high success rates of about 65 % for a genetically normal embryo.
Carrie Bedient MD (20:20.526)
What were they when you first started? Like when you when you graduated from residency fellowship.
Abby Eblen MD (20:24.742)
And then We were gunning for probably 25 % pregnancy rates. Maybe 30 would be great, great, but 25 % probably. And so We had lots of negative, lots of consults, but didn’t go well because more times than not, know, now we can say it’s like flipping a coin, but you have a 65 % chance of getting heads up. Whereas back then it was like flipping a coin like five times and one of those five times you would have a good outcome.
Susan Hudson MD (20:35.47)
It’s amazing.
Carrie Bedient MD (20:35.566)
Such a world.
Abby Eblen MD (20:53.881)
That’s really changed pretty dramatically.
Susan Hudson MD (20:56.738)
So I have a kind of two sided question. So what is something that you are hopeful for in the fertility field for the future? And what is something that makes maybe makes you a little nervous?
Abby Eblen MD (21:10.782)
So I really hope that going forward we’ll be able to develop some sort of model, maybe an animal model, to really get more information about implantation. That’s the one thing in my career that I really would have thought over 25, 30 years we would have had lots more information about things that are… Yeah, we know which things were up-regulated and which things are down-regulated. I mean, we know that a lot of things happen at the time of implantation, but for people who are listening, we obviously can’t just…do a biopsy on your uterus when you’re pregnant. So I think either maybe AI models, I don’t know, or maybe an animal model someday will give us more information about what needs to be up-regulated and what needs to be down-regulated. Because along with that, I think the thing that frustrates all of us is when you see a patient who you’ve done a transfer, an IVF embryo transfer on, the embryo looks great, their lining looks great, they’re completely healthy. There’s all the metrics that we look at in terms of the way the endometrium looks and how thick it is.
All are great and yet you continue to do these easy transfers and they continue not to get pregnant time after time after time. I really believe there’s something in the endometrium that’s either not there and should be or the other way around. We just don’t have data, really very good data or very good information about that or tests to look at that. Was there another question?
Susan Hudson MD (22:30.102)
What what is something that maybe makes you a little nervous?
Abby Eblen MD (22:33.444)
So the thing that makes me a little nervous is, and I think Carrie and Susan might have been in this meeting too, a couple years ago someone talked about biopsing the forearm and getting fibroblasts from the forearm, which basically skin cells, and being able to take those in a Petri dish and mix kind of like a bunch of stuff up in there and basically make them go back and regress to stem cell. And from there, you take that stem cell and you either make it become an egg or make it become a sperm. And it could be, regardless of gender, you could make it go either direction. And so There’s all kinds of crazy possibilities, plus the fact, which maybe would be good, we would have probably a lot of egg cells, sperm cells to choose from. mean, Particularly in older women that are having more difficulty 38, 39, getting pregnant, the advantage may be we may have a lot more egg cells to choose from when that technology, or if that technology becomes kind of state of the art.
But it’s kind of a scary, scary new world, I think, when that happens.
Susan Hudson MD (23:36.236)
I have to say that was the only ASRM I walked away from with like a my goodness like it’s just it’s so far like there are some really amazing things that that would help us bypass, but it it it opens up a whole nother world of possibilities. And so I I think we need to have the ability to deal with those situations.
Abby Eblen MD (23:59.776)
Yeah, I think the thing about this field of medicine that keeps it so interesting for all of us, I think our field is one of the fields. And I know a lot of other areas of medicine have a lot of changes too, but it just, seems like we’re always kind of on the cutting edge of technology. And, you know, we also have AI that can look at embryos in the lab to see how they develop. And that’s still not a proven beneficial thing to do yet, but we’re always looking at new things. And so Our field has never been dull by any means. There’s always something going on.
Carrie Bedient MD (24:27.724)
Mm-hmm. If you could wave your magic wand and make one thing true for every patient who comes through our doors, what would it be?
Abby Eblen MD (24:41.181)
Well, I I wish every patient could get pregnant. That would be number one, but I think that would be too big of an ask. So I would say at least help us guide the patients to the correct treatment more effectively, more quickly, so that they can have the best chance of getting pregnant. But yeah, one wish would be let everybody get pregnant that comes to see us.
Susan Hudson MD (25:01.944)
That would be beautiful.
Carrie Bedient MD (25:04.394)
What So what are you most excited about for your next step? Like what do you have planned? And Abby, for our listeners, Abby is far and away the most interesting of the three of us in terms of what she does does in her off hours because she’s a painter and she’s an artist and she travels and she does all these cool things that I don’t know about you, Susan, but I just look back and go, I want to do that. I want to be that creative.
Abby Eblen MD (25:17.247)
I don’t think so.
Susan Hudson MD (25:18.72)
It’s like perfect.
Susan Hudson MD (25:29.612)
Yes. She she is a very, very talented, beautiful person and I I’m so excited to hear what the new adventures are.
Abby Eblen MD (25:38.452)
Well, thank you. You know, I think I’ve always tried to keep up my hobby of drawing and painting, and that’s really kept me focused and centered. And that’s kind of that’s one of the reasons why I said don’t put your life on hold when you’re going through this. Do the things that make you happy, because that’s going to be overall beneficial for your mental health. And so I’m planning to try the exciting thing is, and I think Carrie and Susan can relate to this, our lives are so structured and so, you know, even when we go on vacation, we have to look up patient records and we have to do labs and that follows us no matter where we go, seven days a week basically. We always have something in the back of our mind, a patient, I have one right now, that I’m always worried about. And so It’s like a mother having like hundreds of children that you’re always kind of worried about. And when I go on vacation, I’m like, gosh, if I go away, is something gonna happen? And I’m worried about this person. And so I think…probably every one of the hairs on my head have changed colors because of all the patients I’m worried about. So maybe my hair will start going, becoming darker after this, but I won’t miss that. I mean, I’ve really, really had a wonderful career. I’ve had wonderful patients that I’m so grateful for. Who have truly enriched my life. No question about it. And I’ll miss all of you guys, but having that sort of that worry about my patients all the time, kind of chronically, I’ll kind of be happy not to have that.
I’m glad that yoke is kind of off my shoulders and onto the younger doctors in my practice that will be taking care of my patients down the road.
Susan Hudson MD (27:11.074)
And you’ve got an amazing team back there in Nashville.
Abby Eblen MD (27:13.401)
Absolutely, we’ve got an amazing team.
Carrie Bedient MD (27:17.764)
Well, thank you for hanging out with us for the past six years to do this and being
Abby Eblen MD (27:21.343)
Yeah, I’m gonna miss you guys. This is gonna be pretty weird on a Sunday. I’m gonna be like, wait, are we podcasting today? But hopefully you guys will have a great person to take my place. I know you will. it’ll be, I hope it goes on for many, many years. think We’ve made some really, yeah, I hope so, yeah. So I look forward to kind of things that are upcoming for fertility docs uncensored.
Susan Hudson MD (27:37.646)
We still get to do book stuff. We still get to book do book things.
Carrie Bedient MD (27:39.918)
Let’s do it.
Abby Eblen MD (27:47.4)
I’ll certainly kind of check you guys out on Instagram and Facebook and all that good stuff and hopefully many, many continued years of success. I don’t think any of the three of us ever dreamed when we started out six years ago in this way. I thought it would end, we just stopped doing it after a while, but it’s really grown and now has a life of its own, which is great.
Carrie Bedient MD (28:09.914)
Well, thank you. We will miss you and we still still want to get pictures and photos and updates and all those things. But thank you for all of the hours you have spent with us and for being part of part of our cloud. Yeah. Yeah.
Abby Eblen MD (28:13.951)
I’ll miss you guys.
Susan Hudson MD (28:28.234)
Lots of beautiful memories over the past six years.
Carrie Bedient MD (28:30.926)
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Susan Hudson MD (28:48.888)
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