Join Dr. Carrie Bedient from the Fertility Center of Las Vegas, Dr. Susan Hudson from Texas Fertility Center, and Dr. Abby Eblen from Nashville Fertility Center for another inspiring episode of Fertility Docs Uncensored. This week, we’re joined by Alanah Rushing, current Miss Tennessee for America, who will soon compete for the national title on August 25th in Las Vegas. Alanah works in the field of infertility and uses her platform to advocate for women navigating fertility treatments. She shares her personal story of undergoing multiple egg donation cycles, including her most recent experience doing a shared egg freezing cycle. In this unique journey, half of her eggs were donated to a known intended parent, while she kept the other half for her future family. Alanah opens up about the emotional and practical aspects of the process, and writing her book Ocean Miracles, which highlights stories of women who conceived using egg donors. She also emphasizes the importance of finding a supportive doctor throughout your fertility journey. US Fertility sponsored this podcast. This episode sponsored by the Reproductive Science Center of the Bay Area.
Episode Transcript:
Susan Hudson (00:01)
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Abby Eblen MD (00:22)
Hi everyone, we’re back with another episode of Fertility Docs Uncensored. I’m one of your hosts, Dr. Abby Eblen from Nashville Fertility Center, and I’m joined by my fabulously fun co-host, Dr. Susan Hudson from Texas Fertility Center.
Susan Hudson MD (00:35)
Hello everyone.
Abby Eblen MD (00:36)
and Dr. Carrie Bedient from the Fertility Center of Las Vegas. And we have a very special friend today who happens to also be Tennessean. So I feel a special kinship to her. She is Alanah Rushing. She is currently the reigning Miss Tennessee for America. And she has had her own fertility journey that she’s gonna share with us today. But we were talking earlier and she also has an interesting background in that she was a collegiate volleyball player. I’m really interested to hear more about that. And that’s a job unto itself, when you’re in college. You go to school, but then that’s the second job you have. What was that like?
Alanah Rushing (01:09)
Yeah. I grew up playing volleyball from the time I was about eight or nine years old. So volleyball was really my dream growing up. And I had to choose between pageants and volleyball at the time, because it took up so much of my life and I was really, really good. And so I ended up going to play a private school. It was a Methodist college in Illinois and that’s where I played volleyball. I did that for three years and then I transferred to the University of Kentucky after that.
Abby Eblen MD (01:18)
Yeah, that’s a lot too, yeah.
What was your position? Okay, which is the shorter one on the team, but I’m guessing you’re probably not very short there.
Alanah Rushing (01:34)
I was a libero.
Susan Hudson MD (01:36)
Very nice.
Alanah Rushing (01:40)
It’s a short, yes, it is a shorter position, but it’s more of the person who’s the quickest on the team.
Abby Eblen MD (01:45)
Well there you go, there you go.
Alanah Rushing (01:47)
Yeah, so the libero she wears the different color jersey. So when you’re watching a volleyball game and they have another jersey, they play back row and then they come in and out as needed. That’s what libero is.
Carrie Bedient MD (01:58)
So you’re allowed to move all around and nobody else is.
Alanah Rushing (02:00)
Right, but they only play the back row so the middles come in and out of the front and then you
Abby Eblen MD (02:00)
Yeah. So that can, the people can spike on the net. I had a sister and some other family members that played volleyball, but I’ve forgotten all the details and it’s changed a little bit too, cause it now it’s rally volleyball right? You, can score whether you’re serving or not. Yeah.
Alanah Rushing (02:08)
You’re right.
Yes, you can. Yeah, you can serve aces now.
Carrie Bedient MD (02:20)
When you were doing that in college, how much time did you spend in practice, traveling, and at games every week? I how did you have time to do the whole school part of college?
Alanah Rushing (02:30)
Yeah, so it was very, time consuming and we had study hours as they would call it back then. And our coach was very, very strict on that because we had a reigning award for the best grades of out of all the sports at our school. So we had to really figure out times for that. So they made our schedule based off of the study hours we needed. So if you were a straight A student, you may only need four study hours.
If you were like more of a B student you may need six hours. And then also we had tutors actively available for us when we were traveling because we were gone half the week during season. And if we were home we still had two to four games a night so we were playing a lot.
Abby Eblen MD (03:03)
Yeah. yeah.
So we may talk about this. Yeah.
Carrie Bedient MD (03:09)
Two to four games a night?
Alanah Rushing (03:11)
Yes, because a lot of times we’re tournaments and in college it’s best out of five sets. Yeah.
Carrie Bedient MD (03:16)
Whoa!
Abby Eblen MD (03:17)
Well, and on top of that, we may talk about this in a minute, but I’m really fascinated how you could fit school and volleyball and pageants. I had a couple of friends in college that were involved with Miss Tennessee as well, and like, they had all these fittings for things and all these different coaches for this, that, and the other. It was a whole other job. So was that going on at the same time, or did you sort of give up volleyball and then you went into the pageant circuit?
Alanah Rushing (03:38)
I really focused on volleyball when I was in college. And then once I got out of college, I went back to focusing on pageant because you’re right. Pageants are a full-time job.
Abby Eblen MD (03:41)
Well, very cool. We’re going to talk a little bit more with Alanah in just a second. But first, Susan, do we have a question?
Susan Hudson MD (03:53)
We do have a question. So our question for today is, what would be the recommended tests and treatments when sperm analysis results indicate severe oligospermia, so three million per milliliter, and transvaginal ultrasound discovered swollen fallopian tubes? Is IVF the only option to get pregnant?
Abby Eblen MD (04:12)
What do you think, Carrie?
Carrie Bedient MD (04:13)
Part of it depends on whether the tubes are open or not. There’s two answers to this question. The first answer is no, IVF may not be the only way to go here. Because if there is sperm and if the tubes are open despite being swollen, then technically, yes, you could probably try IUI or ITI, the intratubal insemination. But there’s the practical component of this of even if those tubes are open, even if there are sperm, doing IUI-ITI is highly unlikely to be effective. And so you’re not going into this to have fertility treatment. You’re going into this to have a baby. And so not spending a whole lot of time messing around with other things that could quite frankly be dangerous with the tubes, especially an ectopic pregnancy or a tubal pregnancy is the biggest thing that we worry about. I would say you may not technically have to do IVF, but you have to do IVF in order to get where you want to be. Because there’s a lot of risks playing around with damaged tubes and with a very low sperm count, even with the ITI, even with those other things. Those are bridges to IVF. They are not replacements for IVF. And you’ve got two major issues, which are the two big things that IVF was built for and both of them are going on. I think IVF is in your future, my dear. I’m more than willing to be wrong. I’m delighted to be completely wrong in favor of having a baby. But statistically, you’re in a tough spot here, and I think IVF’s in your future. What do you think, Abby? Susan.
Abby Eblen MD (05:40)
Well, I think if your tubes are swollen on ultrasound, that’s really concerning, because generally we don’t see swollen tubes unless they’re really swollen and really blocked. So that suggests to me that your tubes are blocked. If your tubes are that blocked and damaged, they’re probably not gonna function well. And like Carrie said, that puts you really high risk for tubal pregnancy, even if someone tries to go in and open them up. So that in and of itself is an indication for IVF. Oligospermia, sometimes that can be treated,
and generally if you saw someone or if you saw one of us, probably we would recommend you to a reproductive urologist. And it depends on what the cause of it is. Sometimes we definitely can see much improvement in the sperm count. So that’s a question mark depending on what happens there. But for the most part, I think probably like Carrie said, just because of your tubes alone, probably IVF is in your future.
Susan Hudson MD (06:29)
I’d agree. The fact that we can see your fallopian tubes on ultrasound means they’re really big. Even most hydrosalpinx that we see on HSG, we don’t see those on ultrasound. So they are quite, quite large and they are probably blocked. We’ve all seen historically, somebody who went and had surgery on their tubes and they may have gotten pregnant and hopefully it ends up being in the right place, but you’re at a much higher risk of that ectopic pregnancy. And that combined with the severe male factor, I think it’s really something that you need to focus on that being your goal. It’s not impossible. I’ve had people get pregnant with similar situations, but it’s not common.
Carrie Bedient MD (07:11)
And all of the additional testing that people think about for very low sperm counts, you certainly can do, but if you know that you’re headed towards IVF, the utility of it and how it’s going to change things, the equation and the balance changes. And so yes, you can go ahead and do the hormone panels and the DNA fragmentation and all of those other things, consider starting additional medications, but none of those things are going to change the fact that the tubes are damaged. so it may…be more worth your time and effort and energy to put what you were going to direct towards the sperm into just the whole IVF process in general.
Susan Hudson (07:45)
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Abby Eblen MD (08:48)
All right, so now we are gonna spend some time with Alanah Rushing, talking a little bit about her fertility journey. And Alanah, I think you alluded to the fact that you did a shared cycle with someone else. Tell us a little bit about kind of what made you decide to do that and what’s involved with that process.
Alanah Rushing (09:03)
Yeah, so I personally, I’m not struggling with infertility at this moment. Everything has been fine, but I am 28 and I don’t have a partner yet. So I have one child of my own and I really wanted to hopefully give them a sibling someday. And so I just wanted to freeze my eggs and Dr. Aimee out of California is someone we work with at my agency a lot. And she offers a shared program where I get to keep half of my eggs. The other half are donated to a family.
And then they pay for the cost of the entire procedure. And then they actually pay for the storage for five years for me as well. Yeah.
Abby Eblen MD (09:38)
That’s awesome.
Carrie Bedient MD (09:40)
When you were going through that, because you had been an egg donor previously, is that right? You’ve seen the whole gamut. So how did you get into the egg donor world, especially being a college athlete and being in pageants and doing all of the things that you have done, each of them are a career in and of themselves. And then you put them all together. And how did you
Alanah Rushing (09:45)
Right.
Carrie Bedient MD (10:05)
find that? How did you get into that part of this world?
Alanah Rushing (10:09)
Right. So, Happy Beginnings is actually in the hometown where I’m from. So that’s how I heard about it. And then when I was in college, I had heard about it in high school too, but I just didn’t do it then I was obviously too young. But then when I got to.
Abby Eblen MD (10:21)
Oh wow, you heard about it in high school even, huh?
Alanah Rushing (10:23)
Yeah, so it was a small town where I’m from. I’m from southern Illinois, which is not very big. So this agency has been around for a long time and, a lot of my friends actually are egg donors too, just because it’s very word of mouth. And I wanted to really make a difference. And I just felt like I seen so many people struggling with infertility and this was my way to give back. And at the same time, it was going to put me through school.
And so that’s really why I chose to do it. And then later on, it kind of led to my own fertility journey.
Carrie Bedient MD (10:52)
So how many cycles did you end up doing?
Alanah Rushing (10:54)
I’ve done four or five, I think five with my freeze my egg shared cycle.
Susan Hudson MD (11:00)
Were these cycles anonymous cycles or were they known cycles? How was the format that you participated in?
Alanah Rushing (11:07)
Yeah, so all of the cycles at Happy Beginnings are anonymous unless they specifically ask. But then when I did my shared cycle, it was very different. I’m a lot older now than back then when I was donating and then I had a child of my own. So I was very open to the shared cycle. I do know them now. They actually met my daughter later too. So like, it’s very open. They’re pregnant now and I’m really excited for them.
Susan Hudson MD (11:31)
What type of counseling did you go through before starting your cycle and how did that affect your journey?
Alanah Rushing (11:38)
I had to do a psych eval and that was just going over just to see if I really had any issues and things like that. But it was totally fine. It was about like an hour session maybe.
Carrie Bedient MD (11:47)
And did they do that both for the anonymous cycles and the shared cycles?
Alanah Rushing (11:51)
They did. Yes. We did have a counseling session with my shared cycle where I was on a zoom call with the parents and we went through a few things just to see how we felt about it and how we wanted our relationship to be going forward after a child was born, things like that. I think we were just very on both sides, very open, but they wanted to really leave it up to the child later in life.
Alanah Rushing (12:11)
So I may not necessarily have a relationship with the baby, in the next year or two, but maybe later down the line, if that’s what the child wants, then I’m totally open to that. And they are too.
Abby Eblen MD (12:21)
So to that end, how do you feel about that? Because you said, I think you did three other anonymous cycles, right? And so I’m guessing you probably don’t know how many potential babies came from that. And I’m just curious as to how they counseled you and what your plans are if you get contacted by a child when they get older, when they’re adults themselves.
Alanah Rushing (12:39)
I did do the donor sibling registry. That was one thing. I think almost two or three of my cycles asked about, and I was fine to do that for medical information and things like that. But I was so young then, so I didn’t really know what to expect. And if I could go back and change it, I would have probably done known just because of the experience I had with my shared cycle. Back then, was just like everything seemed to be anonymous and that was just what you were supposed to do.
Abby Eblen MD (12:42)
Okay.
No good.
huh. Well good!
Yeah, so for people out there that have received anonymous eggs, from your perspective, it sounds like it was, you think it would be a very positive experience to be able to connect with kids in the future that you’ve created through your eggs.
Alanah Rushing (13:18)
Yeah, absolutely. And I think it’s just the way you approach it. It’s not necessarily, I don’t look at it like that’s my child, but I would look at it. I was like, if I ever had to introduce this future child to my own child, I would probably do it more like a cousin type of thing, not necessarily a sibling. And I think the parents that I donated for were on the same page with me in that sense too.
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Susan Hudson MD (14:10)
How’s your family reacted to your journey as an egg donor?
Alanah Rushing (14:16)
They’ve been very supportive. My sister was actually an egg donor as well and my stepsister and she had a really positive experience as well. And hers were all anonymous too.
Abby Eblen MD (14:25)
So, wow.
Carrie Bedient MD (14:25)
Do you have any outcome information on the anonymous cycles you do? Because a lot of times donors don’t get a lot of that information, in part because all of the stuff that comes out of it, the number of embryos, happens well after you are done with the process and if there’s any transfers. But do you know much about your egg donation cycles?
Alanah Rushing (14:45)
I know, I do, know a pregnancy occurred in all of them and there was a twin pregnancy in one of them. And I’ve actually seen a picture of those babies, the twins, and they were so cute. But the other ones I haven’t seen photos of.
Carrie Bedient MD (14:56)
Awesome.
You said that your kiddo is three, correct? How are you planning on introducing all of this to her when she’s of an appropriate age to say, hey, if you do any of these ancestry.com or whatever types of cycles, she’s gonna potentially find other information out there. How are you going to go about that set of discussions?
Alanah Rushing (15:01)
She is. I already have actually just in a child’s way, just because she sees what I do every day. I help people have children every single day. So she’s always like, mom, can I talk to the clients and things like that? Just really kidding. But she just wants to be helpful too. And so I have tried to introduce her to my work world as my egg donor world as well. And told her I’ve helped people have babies. And so I tell her the same way I do my work now is I was just helping someone have a baby in another way.
And I’m in the process of publishing my first egg donor conceived book for ⁓ egg donor conceived kids. And she’s seen the illustrations. And so she’s been my hands on person as far as showing her what it would look like. And I think for a three year old, she understands it for the best she can at three. It may be another conversation later down the line with ancestry and things like that. Cause I don’t think she quite knows what that is yet.
Abby Eblen MD (15:51)
Nice.
So tell us what you do in your day-to-day life. As to work. Yeah. Uh-huh.
Alanah Rushing (16:12)
As far as work goes, I’m the managing director at Happy Beginnings. So I do all the matching as far as helping parents find a donor or a surrogate now. And then I manage the day to day with our agency as well.
Abby Eblen MD (16:24)
That’s great.
Carrie Bedient MD (16:26)
So how do you counsel intended parents who are looking for a donor and they’re trying to decide, what do I look for? Who do I choose? I’ve got these two or three, which one do I actually pick? How do you go through those discussions with people?
Alanah Rushing (16:38)
So I really break it down to what is most important to them? Sometimes it’s looks, sometimes it’s education. Sometimes it’s someone now that they would just want to have an open relationship with, like I had my shared cycle. So I really narrow down what’s most important to them if they have a top two or three donors that they can’t decide from. And normally they’re able to pick based off of that because there are a lot of amazing donors. We have a database of 500 plus donors. So if they’re looking for something specific, then they’re enabled to break it down based off of things that are normally most important to them, which is, I think if they look like them intended mother or education is what I see the most often.
Carrie Bedient MD (17:16)
How do you counsel people on the education component of that? Because I have a ton of patients who are very highly educated. They want that in their donor. Also, donors a lot of the time are somewhere between 21, 25, 26 years old. They don’t have the same credentials that these intended parents do because they’re not old enough yet. They’re still finding their way in the world. Education is expensive. It’s time consuming. There’s so many aspects of it. How do you talk to people about wanting those sets of requirements or wishes that are inherently difficult to get by working with a 23 year old.
Alanah Rushing (17:53)
Right, yeah, I try to explain to them, a lot of them still are in college, but maybe they’re pursuing a degree that, for instance, maybe one was, the parent was a business degree and then so they wanted someone in the business world. So maybe they’re still pursuing that. Sometimes we do an anonymous zoom call with the donor and the parent or a call, depends on what parties are both comfortable with. And we’re able to talk through that. What are your future plans?
Abby Eblen MD (18:00)
Hmm, now that’s interesting.
Alanah Rushing (18:19)
Where are you at school now? Seems that if they’re in a top 50 school and education is important to them at that time, a lot of parents are very comfortable with that. They only wanted someone in at Harvard and we were able to find that, but it was a needle in a haystack. And I did explain that to them and it’s going to be a harder match. Not everyone goes to Harvard, but they were ready to pay a higher compensation to find.
Abby Eblen MD (18:28)
It’s interesting.
Yeah.
Wow. What do you find are the biggest challenges that parents that intended parents have when they’re looking for an egg donor? talked a little bit about it, but what is the thing that you think just they’re like, just I can’t decide between this and this?
Susan Hudson MD (18:43)
Interesting.
Alanah Rushing (18:55)
I think when I see things, it’s really when they have two donors side by side that have almost the exact same credentials and they really have to narrow down something so small. And that’s why one of the other donors doesn’t get selected. I mean, it may be hair color. It may be eye color, maybe the shape of the eyes. Sometimes I’ve really had to break down facial features and things like that. Maybe one’s Irish and one is a, has Italian in them.
So then we go back and we go through their family background. Like what does that look like on their end? And normally they want someone who looks like the intended mother. It’s not necessarily the intended father unless it’s a single father coming to me. So I really speak with the intended mother the most about like actual characteristics, but that’s what I would say most challenging at times.
Susan Hudson MD (19:38)
With being Miss Tennessee and going on to your next pageant, is your interest in fertility preservation, those types of things, something that you’re going to be sharing with your platform?
Alanah Rushing (19:50)
Yeah, so I titled my platform as Fertility Compass because we work with domestic clients, but also international clients. I want to continue to advocate for infertility awareness. I feel like it’s such a niche industry that just so many people don’t know about, but so many people are going through it. And I feel like so many people are just alone in this journey and I want them to know I’ve went through my own journey, so to speak. I work with people who go through it and one of my ways of wanting to give back is once I publish my book, I want to donate 500 copies to Egg Donor Conceived Children. They need resources too, and there’s just really not many out there right now. And then, if that goes well, I’ll probably do one for surrogacy conceived as well.
Abby Eblen MD (20:22)
Wow, that’s awesome.
Carrie Bedient MD (20:31)
What’s the name of your book?
Alanah Rushing (20:33)
It’s called Ocean Miracles. We work with Barbados Fertility Center a lot. And I actually have been to that clinic and I’ve been to Barbados several times. And so I feel like that was my eye opening way of entering the egg donor world and the fertility world in general. So I think that’s why I chose that title.
Carrie Bedient MD (20:53)
Do you see a lot of fertility awareness among your other pageant participants? And I know that there’s different age groups that each pageant is going towards. Is this something that’s increasing in awareness among that demographic of that age of women? Or is it something that you find you’re having to explain everything about every time you meet somebody new because they don’t really know much about it.
Alanah Rushing (21:20)
I think it’s a little bit of both. I feel like I do have to really explain what I do in depth. But when I was living in Texas and I competed in a pageant, actually did experience one of my good friends now, she went through IVF. I have a friend now in the fertility world that is going through IVF as well. She didn’t know where to start. I actually just referred her to Nashville Fertility Center as a clinic. That’s where I did my outside monitoring for my shared cycle.
And so, that’s the closest to her and she didn’t want to travel very far. So, it’s just really navigating as I meet people, but you do have to explain a lot because they just don’t know where to start, especially, you’re going through it. Like endometriosis, for instance, that’s something I feel like a lot of girls my age are going through. And when my friend, she’s just like, I don’t know what to do. They just said, I have endometriosis. Now what?
It’s very, very challenging.
Susan Hudson MD (22:09)
What would your words of advice for someone who’s thinking about egg freezing, whether they’re in their later 20s, like you are, or they may be in their 30s, maybe even older than that, what what words of advice is somebody who has helped people who did not egg freeze through your donations, and as somebody who has gone through egg freezing, what are some words of advice you would offer to those people who the wheels are just starting to turn?
Alanah Rushing (22:37)
Honestly, I would say do it. Do it with no hesitation. After doing it myself and helping others Why would I not help myself too because in the long run if I don’t need these eggs I get to help someone else and I get to donate them to another family. Maybe if my own family doesn’t need it someday, another family will so I feel like there’s really no bad way to go about it. In doing it in your late 20s when you’re healthy and nothing is wrong with you is I feel like just the best way and then you’re not struggling and going through all these things if you do find a partner later in life because the reality is a lot of people are finding partners later in life, focusing on their careers and their education. And that is why fertility is somewhat coming, to people in their 30s and 40s. I see it every day, unfortunately.
Abby Eblen MD (23:20)
Alanah, what would you say to people who are really scared of making the next step? Maybe they’ve come for a consult, but they’re afraid because of the nuts and bolts. Like, am I going to feel crazy on the medicine? How many days away from work am I going to have to take? And what am I going to feel like after it’s over with? What would your words of wisdom be about that?
Alanah Rushing (23:37)
I think when you find a doctor that supports you and supports the mission that you’re trying to do, I think it makes it so much easier. I felt like Dr. Aimee for my certain thing, she just was really there for me and she was making sure I was supported. She knew I was a prior donor. She knew everything about my life and I was like, I don’t want to be there for so long, but, I had to bring my kid and she was just very accommodating to everything I was going through. So I feel like when you find that doctor that’s really there for you and they’re there for the right reasons to help you have a successful journey. It just takes so much stress off of you.
Susan Hudson MD (24:09)
What would be your advice in finding a doctor?
Alanah Rushing (24:12)
I think definitely do your research on what you’re looking for. I know not all clinics do shared cycles and that’s specifically what I was looking for. I didn’t want to put a lot of finances into it. So a shared cycle was great for me because I was able to do it and basically come out money free, but also have these eggs already frozen for me. But if you don’t want to do a shared cycle, then you’d probably have to look at the financials of it and see kind of cost comparisons.
But I still think looking to someone that you’re comfortable with is a big part of it as well.
Abby Eblen MD (24:42)
Any last words of wisdom.
Alanah Rushing (24:45)
When you set your mind to something, going after your dreams is something that’s so important. And for me, egg freezing was something that was so important on me. I’m 28 and I feel like a big burden was taken off of me by freezing my eggs. Now I can find a partner later in life and it’s okay,.
Abby Eblen MD (24:56)
Yeah.
Carrie Bedient MD (25:01)
And you come out to Las Vegas to compete very shortly here, right?
Alanah Rushing (25:04)
Yes, in just four weeks I will be there.
Abby Eblen MD (25:06)
That’s exciting.
Carrie Bedient MD (25:07)
I hope that your competition goes well and that you win absolutely everything and you get an even bigger and more glorious crown than the one you have, which is pretty spectacular. I hope you have just a fabulous experience.
Abby Eblen MD (25:18)
Yeah, it’s pretty spectacular.
Alanah Rushing (25:22)
Thank you so much.
Susan Hudson MD (25:23)
As a little girl from Texas, I can tell you every year, I mean, I have to say, this is something that kind of makes me sad about the fact that we all stream stuff nowadays. Every year I watch the Miss Texas pageant and whatever the national pageant was, Miss USA or Miss America and that type of thing. That was a neat part of my childhood, growing up and watching this. So I was super excited about having you on today.
Alanah Rushing (25:46)
Thank you so much. Yeah, I will send my link so you guys can stream and watch it if you guys would like.
Abby Eblen MD (25:50)
That’d be great. That’d be awesome.
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Susan Hudson MD (26:29)
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