Fertility Docs Uncensored Today’s episode of Fertility Docs Uncensored is hosted by Dr. Carrie Bedient from the Fertility Center of Las Vegas, Dr. Susan Hudson from Texas Fertility Center, and Dr. Abby Eblen from Nashville Fertility Center, and in this episode, they welcome Anne-Marie Pereira, a fertility and wellness therapist practicing in Portugal. She explores the emotional and subconscious aspects of infertility and how they can influence treatment experiences and outcomes. What emotional patterns are common in infertility patients? Many women are conditioned to be highly independent, making it difficult to ask for help, which can affect how they navigate fertility challenges. How can subconscious beliefs impact fertility decisions? Through techniques such as hypnotherapy, Anne-Marie helps patients uncover past experiences that may shape current behaviors, such as delaying childbearing due to early family dynamics. Why do hormonal transitions trigger emotional responses? Major hormonal shifts and fertility treatment failures can bring unresolved subconscious thoughts to the surface. What is the goal of fertility-focused therapy? Her aim is for patients to gain emotional independence within 90 days, improving both well-being and potentially fertility outcomes. How do couples process infertility differently? Women tend to be more expressive, while men may be less communicative, which can lead couples to cope separately. She emphasizes the importance of positivity, limiting negative online influences, and fostering connection. Practical tools such as brief daily meditation, simplifying routines, reconnecting with enjoyable activities like painting, and spending time in nature can help patients create a healthier emotional environment while pursuing fertility treatment. Information about her practice can be found at freeinfertility.com This episode is sponsored by Reproductive Science Center.
Episode Transcript:
Susan Hudson (00:01)
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Abby Eblen MD (00:23)
Hi everybody, we’re back with another episode of Fertility Docs Uncensored. I’m one of your hosts, Dr. Abby Eblen from Nashville Fertility. Today I am joined by my lovely and talented co-host, Dr. Susan Hudson from Texas Fertility and Dr. Carrie Beatient from the Fertility Center of Las Vegas.
Susan Hudson MD (00:36)
Hello everyone.
Carrie Bedient MD (00:40)
Hello, how’s it going?
Abby Eblen MD (00:41)
Great. And we’re really thrilled today. We have a very special guest, Anne-Marie Herrera. She is a fertility and well-being therapist, and she is located physically in Portugal. And we have never had a guest from Portugal before. So this is very exciting for us. And today, we’re going to talk a little bit about emotional and subconscious aspects of infertility.
But before we do that, we’re going to answer a listener question first and then we’ll get right into and talk to Anne Marie.
Anne-Marie Pereira (01:08)
Hi everyone, very happy to be here.
Susan Hudson MD (01:10)
Hello, we’re excited to have you and we love to have our guests from all over the world. We have listeners from all over the world and infertility happens everywhere, one in eight couples. So we want to make sure that everyone is getting good solid information no matter where they are.
Carrie Bedient MD (01:30)
Where are you based in Portugal?
Anne-Marie Pereira (01:34)
So I’m very close to Lisbon.
Carrie Bedient MD (01:36)
Do you have you live there your entire life?
Anne-Marie Pereira (01:38)
No, actually I was born in France, Portuguese parents, but I was born in France in Bordeaux and a few years ago I decided to come back to the roots. So now I’m in Portugal, back in my original country.
Abby Eblen MD (01:50)
So what are things that people do in Portugal that maybe we wouldn’t in the United States understand or know about? And I’m alluding to I had a friend recently that went to Portugal and she hiked on the Camino, is it Camino Trail or?
Anne-Marie Pereira (02:05)
Oh, are you talking about Camino de Santiago, maybe? Yes? Okay.
Abby Eblen MD (02:08)
Yeah, yeah. And I never really heard of that before.
Anne-Marie Pereira (02:12)
Actually, the one you’re talking about, it last year, the year before in November. And it’s a hike that goes through Portugal, Spain and France. So you have different routes you can take. And it’s a very, very nice and quite a challenging thing to do. But that’s something that’s amazing.
Abby Eblen MD (02:32)
And it goes, doesn’t it go over most of your country along the coast? Is that right? The trail?
Anne-Marie Pereira (02:38)
Yes, yes. And then you have different trails, ones that are easier, ones that are more difficult. The French one is quite tough. I haven’t done this one. ⁓ I did from Portugal to Spain. It’s a very personal experience. I recommend it. It’s really cool. I went just with one thing. Yes.
Abby Eblen MD (02:48)
And you backpacked most of the way you backpacked, right?
And did you stop along the way or did you camp out along the way?
Anne-Marie Pereira (03:03)
So we camped every day, but I had 10 kilos on my shoulders and we had to have everything we needed throughout the six days that we were walking 20 kilometers a day. So it was quite a challenge, but it’s amazing. It’s a really great experience and we were not ready, but the mindset did everything. So it’s really like just deciding to do the thing and go, yeah, I can’t tell you how I did it now. Cause I, don’t know, but I, made it. We went there just with one friend.
Susan Hudson MD (03:32)
I recently read a book about this woman, and it was a fictional story, but it was about the Appalachian Trail, and I keep on thinking about that when you’re talking about this. So I have to say that for you to do one of those types of big treks that takes a lot of emotional as well as physical fortitude to be able to make that. So my hat’s off to you because I…I don’t think that would be my cup of tea personally.
Abby Eblen MD (03:59)
I think it’d be really fun, but I don’t know that I could really walk that far for that, I mean, because my friend did six or eight miles a day or something, it was a lot, so, but that’s awesome. So, we’re gonna answer a question, then we’ll get just a minute to our topic. So, Susan, do you have a question for us?
Susan Hudson MD (04:15)
Okay, so our question today is, Hey ladies, I love your podcast. Thank you so much for listening. I am a 29 year old who has had five miscarriages, one triploid, one blighted ovum, three losses at 10 weeks, two DNCs with a former partner. We did one round of IUI and it was a chemical pregnancy. I am now with a new partner who’s 47 years old and we just got our labs back.
My estradiol was 90, AMH was 3.5, all other labs were normal. My husband’s semen analysis was motility 27%, count 13 million per milliliter with mild teratospermia 2%. We were told IVF with ICSI and PGT-A would be our best option. However, and I know you hear this a lot, financially that’s very tough on us. Would it be worth the cost to go straight to IVF or would these numbers be adequate for IUI?
Trying to limit heartbreak and cost as much as possible. Thanks.
Carrie Bedient MD (05:12)
I mean, it seems like there’s really two questions there that she’s asking. And one is the straight up medical question, which is, can you do IUI in that scenario, which the answer is yes, you can. I mean, she hasn’t mentioned anything about a blockage of tubes or things like that. The low sperm count is, the motility is going to be borderline, but you can do it. It’s a question of what are the success rates of it, which of course are going to be low, but she already knows that, and especially with the rest for history. And so this is a fabulous question for Anne-Marie to be here for because it dovetails so nicely into all of the subconscious and emotional aspects of infertility. So what do you think about a case like this, Anne-Marie, where she’s been through five losses and some of them have been a little further along, like a 10-week loss. A loss at any point is always awful, but the further along you are, the more challenging, at least I think it is for our patients. It certainly is for me and the staff, the further along you are, the closer you are to thinking we made it and then the rug gets pulled out from underneath you. So how would you answer this type of question, Anne-Marie, with not only the financial components, but the emotional that goes into it as well, given her history?
Anne-Marie Pereira (06:33)
I think with regards to what I see in women, there’s a lot of inner trust that needs to be rebuilt when all of this happens, all of these challenges happen, because whatever process you go on after, whatever she decides, there’s a moment where I see women really handing all of the process to the clinic or to the doctor helping her.
But there’s this loss of inner trust in the body that this is possible. So I think there’s a lot to be recreated here that maybe she has lost along the way that can really help. Because what I see in my work is that all of this stress, will somehow have an impact in the body, which is contracting the body. That’s what I see a lot. And what we want is the body to open to receive that baby.
So that’s where I see that having this emotional help will help her looking at herself, looking at the process, whatever process she decides to go on. And then obviously, you will be the right people to tell her this is the right process for the results that you have, but that her mind and body are really open for the process so that things happen differently in terms of how she goes through the process, how she sees it and how she feels inside as she goes through it. So I’d say that’s it.
Abby Eblen MD (07:58)
So Ann Marie, what are some specific things that you can tell her to retrain her thinking or to help her get through this? Because I know there’s certain exercises and different things that patients can do. What have you found to be helpful in a situation like that?
Anne-Marie Pereira (08:13)
So what I see a lot in women from our generation is that we’ve been taught to be independent, to do everything on our own. And if we can’t do that, we feel like we’re not valuable. So we take all of the value from achieving and from doing everything by ourselves. So it’s very difficult, or I see it very difficult, and I’ve seen it in myself at one point, to ask for help.
And I see a lot of women coming to me after having tried many different things. And it’s like, it’s the last, it’s the last chance. And I love to see women understand, okay, this is becoming difficult. I’m going to look for help and I’m going to find somebody that can help me.
And in this case, really having a hand that can help you understand what’s happening emotionally inside and having some kind of support. There’s a few things that can be done. You can have relaxation or, or yoga or other kinds that are more, well known that that help with regards to lowering the stress. What I would advise is if we see that it’s not enough, that we still feel the body contracting and we still feel negative thoughts, negative emotions throughout the process, then find help, whatever it is, but that makes sense to help her during this new process. Because sometimes if you have something you need to work on emotionally and you still go through the process and it works out, which is amazing, you’ll have the baby and you’ll still have these emotions that you need to deal with. So it’s very important to understand that the process itself, which is amazing, that doctors will help us have the baby, won’t treat any emotional challenges that the person is going through before the process.
Susan Hudson MD (10:09)
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Susan Hudson MD (11:26)
What are some of the techniques or types of therapy that if the relaxation things aren’t working that someone could look at doing? What are some of the components of those parts of the treatment?
Anne-Marie Pereira (11:43)
So there’s plenty of therapies, right, that can be used. I can speak about my experience with the women I work with. The tools that I use is mainly hypnotherapy. So it’s really looking at what’s underneath, what’s hidden. So sometimes we talk about trauma. What I’ve seen is that sometimes there’s not such thing as a big trauma. It’s really about what emotion was kept throughout mainly childhoods, like 90 % of my clients go to something that happened in childhood mainly. So it’s really understanding, okay, what is it that happened that I’m bringing in my adult life that somehow is impacting my body and is impacting my fertility.
Abby Eblen MD (12:32)
So what’s an example of something that you typically see that people hold onto from childhood?
Anne-Marie Pereira (12:40)
I have an example that’s coming to mind. I worked a few years ago with a lady. She was 45 years old, and she had been through several rounds of IVF. And she came to me after having tried many different things, but she understood that there was something underneath that might be impacting her. When we work together, and this is an example, but…a lot of my clients are in similar situations, they themselves were a surprise baby. So usually a young couple that got pregnant or they were young or the mom was going through contraception. So the baby was not expected in that moment. And in her case, when we worked on her and when we…basically asked the question to your mind, okay, why is this happening to me? The question that the answer that came for her was because her parents were so young when they had her, they didn’t really know what to do with that baby. They didn’t know how to play. They didn’t know how to take care of that baby. And a few years later, she had a sibling. When that sibling came, the parents were completely different parents.
They had time, they played, they treated that second baby completely different. So what got imprinted in my client was you have to be older to be a good parent.
So it’s like you’ve grown up, you’re ready, you think you’re ready, you have a good situation, you have a partner, but somehow inside that imprint got that message. You have to be olders, but when he’s old enough, and that’s what we worked on in her case. So it’s gonna be very specific to each person, obviously.
Abby Eblen MD (14:07)
Interesting.
Susan Hudson MD (14:29)
I an imagine that that would be a very challenging thing because okay, so in your mind, you’re like, I needed to be older, I needed to be more established in my career, in our relationship, all those things. Waiting that time does gain you insights, education, life experience. But it also time is not our friend when it comes to the ovaries and to be faced with something you want so deeply in your heart, that is at odds with something that was imprinted in your brain as a young child, that conflict can cause and not even to be aware of that conflict, not even to know that I had this idea, but now it’s in conflict with me wanting my ovaries to do it, is a challenge to do can even escalate the emotional roller coaster that patients have when they’re going through fertility challenges.
Carrie Bedient MD (15:25)
So how do you approach it with patients who they want to do absolutely everything? And I couldn’t put a number on how many patients come and sit in front of me and say, I will do anything you tell me to do if it will increase the chances. And it’s very easy, relatively, to give the statistics on these are your success rates if you try naturally versus if you try with an IUI versus IVF with an egg donor, whatever it may be. And this is what you need to take with your folic acid supplements or your CoQ10 or things like that. But when it comes to the psychological aspects, that’s much harder because there’s not a success rate that you can pin on that. And it’s going to be very different from person to person.
How do you approach your patients who are exceedingly logical and numbers and data-driven when they come to you and they say, want a baby and it’s not happening, and make this happen? How do you deal with those types of patients where you don’t necessarily have those numbers?
Anne-Marie Pereira (16:29)
Yes, I understand what you mean. And, and truth is, there’s not one type of client that comes to me. So you have people that have been through several rounds of IVF and they want to take a break and they just want to feel like themselves again. They want to feel like they’re women. They would want to take all of this heaviness out of them. So sometimes that’s what happens.
Other times people want to try naturally. So it’s like, okay, I’ve tried all the things that I knew helped me with that part that I haven’t looked at before. And sometimes they have no hope anymore to have a baby. They just want to function. So all of them will have different objectives in terms of how they want to feel.
And sometimes, yeah, people ask me, what percentage can you promise me somehow? And I say, I don’t have a crystal ball, but I know that through that process, you’ll feel better about yourself and your body will be ready to open to whatever is to come for you. So that’s the intention is really for them to feel good about themselves again, to feel joy, which is something that mainly they don’t feel joy. They don’t know what they like anymore.
They’re in a roundabout and they wake up, they function. It’s mechanical. It’s about dates. It’s about tasks. It’s about, so they really have no joy in where they are. So these are mainly the people that come to me in that sense.
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Susan Hudson MD (18:34)
How do you find that a woman’s emotional well-being during her fertility journey potentially impacts her emotional journey during pregnancy or even in the postpartum early childhood years?
Anne-Marie Pereira (18:50)
So what I’ve seen is that the female body will use moments of hormonal shift to bring to the surface things they don’t want to look at. So usually, that can happen monthly, obviously, in some cases, but usually during…So you have adolescence. So puberty. Then you have everything that’s around getting pregnant or doing a process that impacts your hormones. And so postpartum, and then you have menopause later on. So it’s like everything that you’ve put into the drawer and you don’t want to look at.
When there’s this hormonal shift, we can’t really hide it anymore in the same way we’ve been doing for the past years or whatever. So what I see is that these are moments where the body will bring everything that we haven’t wanted to look at to the surface. That’s why sometimes these are very, very emotional and quite challenging moments for some women.
I’m loving to be with you. And I need to say that to you because I see little emotional help on these journeys and it’s so nice to see openness in terms of, okay, let’s look at how women feel through these journeys emotionally. And I’m loving seeing more and more doctors and clinics opening this door because this is quite a journey for some women. Maybe for others it won’t be like that, but I see many women that really feel alone on these journeys. And I know you’re in sync with that, with everything you’re doing. So that’s really good that we understand also that it’s not just a physical process. It’s also very emotional for women.
Abby Eblen MD (20:43)
So Anne-Marie, for well-meaning clinicians like us and like other practitioners that see our patients, what can we do? Obviously we’re all, I think, fairly quick to refer patients for mental health therapy, but what can we do from our perspective to ease the process a little bit for patients that have had, continual lack of success and infertility before they even see their mental health professional or as they’re seeing their mental health professional?
Anne-Marie Pereira (21:06)
I think there’s two things you can understand with regards to the process. Either the person has been through many different processes, but somehow the body is not responding. So I think that’s a clear guidance that there’s something that has nothing to do with how the body functions, but there might be something else, why the body is contracting and not letting the process actually work.
What I’ve understood from talking to a few clinics here in Portugal, is that sometimes there’s a lot of emotions that come through the process that apparently have nothing to do with the work you’ve been doing with the person. So let’s say the process didn’t work or…a step in the process was challenging, but then there’s like, let’s say a burst of emotion from the person you’re working with that apparently has nothing to do with the process. It seems like something else has been brought to the surface that has nothing to do with the process. This is also something that I’ve seen that shows that there’s something really emotional that is brought to the surface because of these hormonal shifts or whatever the person is going through right now, which can be outside also of the process. But these also are indications that maybe there’s something more emotional that needs to be looked at and that can help her go through the process differently.
Carrie Bedient MD (22:33)
How long do you find that patients work with you? Do they start before they begin with fertility treatments? Do they continue for months after? How long do patients tend to need to stay with you to work through all of this before they’re at a point where they can continue to work on their own?
Anne-Marie Pereira (22:52)
So the whole intention of my work is for them to become independent quickly. So I like to work with women for 90 days for all reasons, because of the fertility process of the three months, because also every three months, most of the cells of our body have renewed, so we can do a very good work in 90 days emotionally. So that’s the period that I work with women.
Sometimes women want to keep on having some kind of follow-up because they feel they need somebody to go along with them. But the main intention is for me to have a whole different conversation with them 90 days from now. So the intention is really for them to get to understand themselves better, look at what they are going through, their body, themselves very differently in that period.
Susan Hudson MD (23:43)
It’s kind of like an emotional REM cycle, like a sleep cycle. That’s very interesting. In fertility, we often have two patients and those two patients are often not on the same emotional journey. They both have their own emotions, but they may not be in tandem with each other.
What are some words of advice that you offer to couples when they’re going through this?
Anne-Marie Pereira (24:10)
So obviously men and women function completely differently if it’s a couple with a man and women, of course. Women tend to open more easily. We tend to more easily speak between ourselves, which on one side is good because we don’t keep things for ourselves. On the other side is challenging because women tend to go a lot online on groups and I see a lot of negativity in those groups so we need to be careful about that as well because the fact that we want to feel we’re not alone and we want to feel that other people are also going through the same sometimes it’s not the right environment to really feel good about the process and believe that the process will work out.
What I say to them is we don’t have a crystal ball, but we have to believe this is going to work until the last minute. This is good, but this is also challenging. So we really need to be careful of, where do I spend my time? What do I look at and where do I feed my emotions or where from? With regards to men, they tend to not talk a lot.
Even if I’ve already had the opportunity to have husbands sometimes contact me to help their wives, which I find amazing. I find it very beautiful. No, but to be open to this part of the emotions and very open to speak about it and speak how it’s impacting the relationship as well, which I find very nice as well for them to open and speak about that. I’m seeing more and more male therapists specializing in this emotional part, not many, but a few, which is good, step by step. So I think that’s really cool also that men have this kind of support. What I think is it’s bringing a lot from one side and another. And what I see happen a lot is, so the wife won’t want to say too much to the husband not to hurt him. And then the husband won’t want to say too much to the wife not to hurt her. And in the end, this creates a disconnection within the couple because each of them is really living the experience on their own, but sometimes start to create some kind of separation. So I think communication is key to creating the communication and maybe seeing how to work on that. When I tell women, when they work with me, but the challenge is on their partner’s side, I like to tell them, and it’s key that I say that so that women remember that the magic happens in their body. So even if…the challenge might be outside, there’s some kind of magic happening inside of the women’s body. So there’s still a lot they can do in terms of their mindset and how they approach the process to help it. So I think that we need to remember that.
Susan Hudson MD (27:14)
I think that’s so important. I can say that I honestly feel that it’s easier to get somebody pregnant who believes that they can get pregnant as compared to somebody who’s like, when I go into embryo transfer and somebody’s like, this isn’t gonna work. I’m like, no, no, no, you can’t like, this is not the right time for you to have those thoughts. The power of positive thinking is, it’s very real for life, but it’s very real for fertility as well.
Carrie Bedient MD (27:41)
What’s an example of an exercise that you give your patients to help them get through a tough moment, especially when you’re not immediately there, but they’re going through their day-to-day life? What’s an exercise you tell your patients to practice so that they can help get through those moments?
Anne-Marie Pereira (28:02)
So I actually work quite a lot with recordings. So even in my website that maybe you’ll give later on, I have a recording with regards to fertility and the intention is to be like a daily vitamin. So I think that even if you’re going through a challenging moment, having those five minutes that are for you and when you’re hearing things that…give clear instructions to your body. Okay, this is what I want to feel. This is what I want my body to do. I want to be open to this process. In other words, obviously, but to give this this vitamin to your mind and body every day, I find is a really good thing. So something that whatever it is, whether it’s that meditation or something that really made you feel good and you make a commitment to yourself that those five, 10 minutes a day, I will do something that really makes me feel good before you have the challenge. So it’s something that if you keep doing it every day, then when this challenge arise and we know life happens. Whatever it is, whether it’s fertility or anything else, this will help us go through that challenge with different eyes and in a different way, not wait for that challenging moment or what can I do now?
Creating those small moments that help us build this insight feeling.
Abby Eblen MD (29:24)
What would a typical day look like for somebody that has come to see you? You’re starting to unpack all the things that are really upsetting them. I think this is great that they have a meditation that they can think and try and help them get through the day. But are there some other things throughout the day that you would have them? Because some people, if they’re really depressed or really anxious, it’s just like you said, it’s hard for them to go from hour to hour. What are some other things throughout the day that they can do sort of as like a schedule?
Anne-Marie Pereira (29:50)
My intention, is to get them very independent with regards to their emotions in 90 days and it’s also to get the process as simple as possible because it’s already very complicated. There’s already a lot to do, a lot to think of, a lot on the calendar. So the intention of the whole process is to have those…sessions where we really look at the roots and understand, okay, this is why this is happening to me, this is why I have this challenge right now, and understand themselves better. Those small meditations, as I was saying, are hypnosis recording and they create those new habits of thoughts and emotions.
And anything that they can fit in, but again, the intention is to be simple. It’s the process to be simpler than it was. To reconnect anything that can help them reconnect with themselves. So it can be a walk, it can be take off your shoes and put your feet on the grass. It can be be present in this moment or do something that you like. So I will incentive them
to integrate in their life more joy. Remember things that they like. Create a list of things that they are not doing anymore. Places where every time they go there, they don’t feel good. We take this out. Places where whenever they go there, they feel good. Okay, we’re gonna put more of that. But with the intention to be simpler.
Because if I come in with a process that you already know how it is, right, with your clients, and I tell them you have to do this and that, and then you have to add this thing and that other thing, this is not going to work. So the intention of everything that I do is to simplify everything.
Susan Hudson MD (31:39)
I think we could use a lot of simplification all of our lives. I sometimes sit there and I’m like, what I love about going on vacation is the simplicity. I don’t have to be on my computer. I don’t need to be on my phone. It’s spending time with those people that I want to spend time with and experiencing positive experiences and trying to turn everyday life into that, I think we would all be emotionally more grounded if we did that.
Carrie Bedient MD (32:12)
I think you are absolutely right.
Anne-Marie Pereira (32:12)
Maybe there’s also simple things that we can do. Most of my clients don’t sleep well. So looking at this as a basis can also be a good thing. What’s your sleep habits? What can we do to improve your sleep? So sometimes it’s very simple things that we can look at that will impact how they feel when they wake up.
And of course, fertility, we know there’s a lot to do as well with the rest of body. And so it’s really looking at whatever simple things I can change, can tweak to help them.
Abby Eblen MD (32:48)
Well, Anne-Marie, any last words that you would like to tell our listeners that we haven’t already covered?
Anne-Marie Pereira (32:54)
I think I want to remind women, as I was saying before, that a lot happened in them, a lot of magic happened in the female body. So they need to remember that. And that sometimes it doesn’t need to be so complicated. Maybe trying to bring some joy, trying to remember, before this process, what did I like to do? I have a lot of clients that go back to painting, to dancing,
that they have put on the side because all of the stress of the process. So maybe those five minutes that I can bring something that maybe make me feel good. I guess this is something that is very simple, but I can change completely how they go through the process. So I’d say this is a really, really good thing that they can start to do.
Susan Hudson MD (33:42)
Wonderful. Thank you so much Anne Marie. It gives us and our listeners and our patients a lot to think on and focus on and hopefully make our lives a little simpler and happier in the meantime.
Anne-Marie Pereira (33:56)
Thank you very much for the opportunity.
Abby Eblen MD (33:57)
Thank you so much.
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